Category: Speeches

  • Ian Blackford – 2022 Speech on Covid-19

    Ian Blackford – 2022 Speech on Covid-19

    The speech made by Ian Blackford, the SNP’s Westminster Leader, in the House of Commons on 21 February 2022.

    This statement was billed as the Prime Minister’s moment of pride, but it is clear that this morning was a moment of panic for this Government. Disagreement across Whitehall and the lack of any serious engagement with the devolved nations show that these decisions are bereft of science or consultation. It appears that these dangerous choices are purely political and have been made up on the hoof—another symptom of a Government in turmoil.

    The illogical reality of UK finance means that these decisions, made for England by a failing Prime Minister, affect the money the devolved nations have to provide testing. It is unacceptable that the ability to protect—[Interruption.] I hear “Money!”, but we are talking about protecting the people of Scotland, something that this Prime Minister is turning his back on. It is unacceptable that the ability to protect our population can be imperilled on the basis of a political decision taken by a Prime Minister in crisis. His decisions directly affect whether Scotland has the funding required to keep its people safe. That is the ridiculous reality of devolution, but it is a reality that must be addressed.

    Will the Prime Minister now confirm what the residual funding for testing will be, to enable the Scottish Government to pick up the pieces of this chaotic withdrawal of support? It makes the case for Scotland to take the necessary measures to keep our people safe. We need the financial ability to make our own choices, and that only comes with independence. [Interruption.]

    Mr Speaker

    I will also hear the right hon. Gentleman in silence. I do not need the barracking. He certainly does not need it and I do not need it.

    Ian Blackford

    Thank you, Mr Speaker.

    PCR testing, the legal requirement to self-isolate and access to lateral flow testing have been instrumental in containing the virus. As we move forward to live with covid, these are the very safeguards that support a return to normal life. These short-sighted decisions have long-term implications. They also hamper vital surveillance efforts and impede the ability to respond to new variants. The reality is that we have a Prime Minister beset by chaos and mired in a police investigation for breaking his own covid laws.

    The Prime Minister indicated dissent.

    Ian Blackford

    He can shake his head, but that is the reality—a Prime Minister who has no moral authority to lead and is desperately seeking to appease his Back Benchers. We know that this reckless statement flies in the face of advice from scientists at the World Health Organisation. That is because this statement is not about protecting the public; it is about the Prime Minister scrambling to save his own skin.

  • Keir Starmer – 2022 Speech on Covid-19

    Keir Starmer – 2022 Speech on Covid-19

    The speech made by Keir Starmer, the Leader of the Opposition, in the House of Commons on 21 February 2022.

    May I start by sending my condolences to the family of Christopher Stalford? Christopher was a dedicated servant of the people of South Belfast and his loss will be deeply felt.

    I also send our best wishes to Her Majesty the Queen; as the Prime Minister said, the whole House wishes her a speedy recovery.

    I thank the Prime Minister for the advance copy of his statement and for the briefing earlier this afternoon.

    Huge efforts have been made over the past two years and we would not be where we are today without the heroism of our NHS and key workers, without those who pioneered and rolled out the vaccines and without the sacrifices that people made every day to follow the rules and protect our public health. We must honour the collective sacrifices of the British people and do everything possible to prevent a return to the loss and lockdowns that we have seen over the past two years.

    The Prime Minister promised to present a plan for living with covid, but all we have today is yet more chaos and disarray: not enough to prepare us for the new variants that may yet develop and an approach that seems to think that living with covid means simply ignoring it. This morning, he could not even persuade his own Health Secretary to agree to the plan, so what confidence can the public have that this is the right approach?

    Let me be clear: the Labour party does not want to see restrictions in place for a moment longer than necessary—[Interruption.] Mr Speaker, we have to take the public with us, and that requires clarity—[Interruption.]

    Mr Speaker

    Order. I call on Members to show some respect. Just as I expect the Prime Minister to be heard in silence, so, too, should the Leader of the Opposition. If you do not wish to be in here, there is plenty of room outside this Chamber. I suggest that you start using it, and I will be helping you on your way. Let us have silence.

    Keir Starmer

    We have to take the public with us, and that requires clarity about why decisions are being made. Will the Prime Minister publish the scientific evidence behind his decision to remove the legal requirement to self-isolate, including the impact on the clinically extremely vulnerable for whom lockdown has never ended?

    Having come this far, I know that the British people will continue to act responsibly and that they will do the right thing: testing and then isolating if positive. What I cannot understand is why the Prime Minister is taking away the tools that will help them to do that. Free tests cannot continue forever, but if you are 2-1 up with 10 minutes to go, you do not sub off one of your best defenders.

    The Prime Minister is also removing self-isolation support payments, which allow many people to isolate, and weakening sick pay. These are decisions that will hit the lowest paid and the most insecure workers the hardest, including care workers, who got us through the toughest parts of the pandemic. It is all very well advising workers to self-isolate, but that will not work unless all workers have the security of knowing that they can afford to do so.

    The Prime Minister mentioned surveillance and the ONS infection survey. This is crucial to ensuring that we can ramp up testing and vaccination if the virus returns, so can the Prime Minister confirm that he has put the funding in place to ensure that the ONS infection survey will not see reduced capacity and that it will be able to track the virus with the same degree of detail as it can today? We cannot turn off Britain’s radar before the war is won. “Ignorance is bliss” is not a responsible approach to a deadly virus. It actually risks undoing all the hard-won progress that the British people have achieved over the last two years.

    The Labour party has published a comprehensive plan for living well with covid. Our plan would see us learn the lessons of the past two years and be prepared for new variants. The Prime Minister’s approach will leave us vulnerable. Where is the plan to secure the UK’s supply of testing? Why are schools still not properly ventilated? There is no doubt that, as a nation, we need to move on from covid. People need to know that their liberties are returning and returning for good, but this is a half-baked announcement from a Government paralysed by chaos and incompetence. It is not a plan to live well with covid.

  • Boris Johnson – 2022 Statement on Covid-19

    Boris Johnson – 2022 Statement on Covid-19

    The statement made by Boris Johnson, the Prime Minister, in the House of Commons on 21 February 2022.

    With permission, Mr Speaker, I will make a statement on our strategy for living with covid. Before I begin, I know the whole House will join me in sending our best wishes to Her Majesty the Queen for a full and swift recovery.

    It is a reminder that this virus has not gone away but, because of the efforts we have made as a country over the past two years, we can now deal with it in a very different way by moving from Government restrictions to personal responsibility, so that we protect ourselves without losing our liberties, and by maintaining our contingency capabilities so that we can respond rapidly to any new variant.

    The UK was the first country in the world to administer an approved vaccine, and the first European nation to protect half its population with at least one dose. Having made the decision to refocus our NHS this winter on the campaign to get boosted now, we were the first major European nation to boost half our population, too. And it is because of the extraordinary success of this vaccination programme that we have been able to lift our restrictions earlier than other comparable countries—opening up last summer while others remained closed, and keeping things open this winter when others shut down again—making us one of the most open economies and societies in Europe, with the fastest growth anywhere in the G7 last year.

    While the pandemic is not over, we have now passed the peak of the omicron wave, with cases falling, hospitalisations in England now fewer than 10,000 and still falling, and the link between infection and severe disease substantially weakened. Over 71% of all adults in England are now boosted, including 93% of those aged 70 or over. Together with the treatments and scientific understanding of the virus we have built up, we now have sufficient levels of immunity to complete the transition from protecting people with Government interventions to relying on vaccines and treatments as our first line of defence.

    As we have throughout the past two years, we will continue to work closely with the devolved Administrations as they decide how to take forward their own plans. Today’s strategy shows how we will structure our approach in England around four principles. First, we will remove all remaining domestic restrictions in law. From this Thursday, 24 February, we will end the legal requirement to self-isolate following a positive test, and so we will also end self-isolation support payments, although covid provisions for statutory sick pay can still be claimed for a further month. We will end routine contact tracing, and no longer ask fully vaccinated close contacts and those under 18 to test daily for seven days. We will also remove the legal requirement for close contacts who are not fully vaccinated to self-isolate. Until 1 April, we will still advise people who test positive to stay at home, but after that we will encourage people with covid-19 symptoms to exercise personal responsibility, just as we encourage people who may have flu to be considerate to others.

    It is only because levels of immunity are so high and deaths are now, if anything, below where we would normally expect for this time of year that we can lift these restrictions. And it is only because we know omicron is less severe that testing for omicron on the colossal scale we have been doing is much less important and much less valuable in preventing serious illness. We should be proud that the UK has established the biggest testing programme per person of any large country in the world. This came at vast cost. The testing, tracing and isolation budget in 2020-21 exceeded the entire budget of the Home Office; it cost a further £15.7 billion in this financial year, and £2 billion in January alone, at the height of the omicron wave. We must now scale this back.

    From today, we are removing the guidance for staff and students in most education and childcare settings to undertake twice-weekly asymptomatic testing. And from 1 April, when winter is over and the virus will spread less easily, we will end free symptomatic and asymptomatic testing for the general public. We will continue to provide free symptomatic tests to the oldest age groups and those most vulnerable to covid. And in line with the practice in many other countries, we are working with retailers to ensure that everyone who wants to can buy a test. From 1 April, we will also no longer recommend the use of voluntary covid-status certification, although the NHS app will continue to allow people to indicate their vaccination status for international travel. The Government will also expire all temporary provisions in the Coronavirus Act 2020. Of the original 40, 20 have already expired and 16 will expire on 24 March. The last four, relating to innovations in public service, will expire six months later, after we have made those improvements permanent via other means.

    Secondly, we will continue to protect the most vulnerable with targeted vaccines and treatments. The UK Government have procured enough doses of vaccine to anticipate a wide range of possible Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation recommendations. Today, we are taking further action to guard against a possible resurgence of the virus, accepting JCVI advice for a new spring booster offered to those aged 75 and over, to older care home residents, and to those over 12 who are immunosuppressed. The UK is also leading the way on antivirals and therapeutics, with our Antivirals Taskforce securing a supply of almost 5 million, which is more per head than any other country in Europe.

    Thirdly, the Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies advises that there is considerable uncertainty about the future path of the pandemic, and there may of course be significant resurgences. SAGE is certain that there will be new variants, and it is very possible that those will be worse than omicron. So we will maintain our resilience to manage and respond to those risks, including our world-leading Office for National Statistics survey, which will allow us to continue tracking the virus in granular detail, with regional and age breakdowns helping us to spot surges as and where they happen. And our laboratory networks will help us understand the evolution of the virus and identify any changes in characteristics.

    We will prepare and maintain our capabilities to ramp up testing. We will continue to support other countries in developing their own surveillance capabilities, because a new variant can emerge anywhere. We will meet our commitment to donate 100 million vaccine doses by June, as our part of the agreement at the UK’s G7 summit to provide a billion doses to vaccinate the world over the next year.

    In all circumstances, our aim will be to manage and respond to future risks through more routine public health interventions, with pharmaceutical interventions as the first line of defence.

    Fourthly, we will build on the innovation that has defined the best of our response to the pandemic. The vaccines taskforce will continue to ensure that the UK has access to effective vaccines as they become available, and has already secured contracts with manufacturers trialling bi-valent vaccines, which would provide protection against covid variants. The therapeutics taskforce will continue to support seven national priority clinical trial platforms focused on prevention, novel treatments and treatments for long-covid. We are refreshing our biosecurity strategy to protect the UK against natural zoonosis and accidental laboratory leaks, as well as the potential for biological threats emanating from state and non-state actors.

    Building on the five-point plan that I set out at the UN and the agreements reached at the UK’s G7 last year, we are working with our international partners on future pandemic preparedness, including through a new pandemic treaty; an effective early warning system or global pandemic radar; and a mission to make safe and effective diagnostics, therapeutics and vaccines available within the first 100 days of a future pandemic threat being identified. We will host a global pandemic preparedness summit next month.

    Covid will not suddenly disappear, so those who would wait for a total end to this war before lifting the remaining regulations would be restricting the liberties of the British people for a long time to come. This Government do not believe that that is right or necessary. Restrictions take a heavy toll on our economy, our society, our mental wellbeing and the life chances of our children, and we do not need to pay that cost any longer. We have a population that is protected by the biggest vaccination programme in our history; we have the antivirals, the treatments and the scientific understanding of this virus; and we have the capabilities to respond rapidly to any resurgence or new variant.

    It is time that we got our confidence back. We do not need laws to compel people to be considerate to others. We can rely on our sense of responsibility towards one another, providing practical advice in the knowledge that people will follow it to avoid infecting loved ones and others. So let us learn to live with this virus and continue protecting ourselves without restricting our freedoms. In that spirit, I commend this statement to the House.

  • John Healey – 2022 Speech on Ukraine

    John Healey – 2022 Speech on Ukraine

    The speech made by John Healey, the Shadow Secretary of State for Defence, in the House of Commons on 21 February 2022.

    The Defence Secretary has been busy in recent weeks, so I welcome his statement today and thank him for keeping the Opposition parties updated on Ukraine during these grave escalations of Russian military threats on the Ukrainian border.

    This is the most serious security crisis Europe has faced since the cold war. The Ukrainian people, citizens of a proud, independent and democratic country, face an unprecedented threat from, as the Secretary of State has said, two thirds of Russia’s entire forces now built up on its borders. There is unified UK political support for Ukraine’s sovereignty and its territorial integrity in the face of that continuing Russian aggression.

    The Government also have Labour’s full support in helping Ukraine to defend itself and in pursuing diplomacy, even at this eleventh hour and even though President Putin has proved more interested in disinformation than diplomacy. We also fully support moves to reinforce the security of NATO allies, as the Labour leader and I told the Secretary General at NATO headquarters earlier this month.

    President Putin wants to divide and weaken the west, to turn back the clock and re-establish Russian control over neighbouring countries. The real threat to President Putin and his Russian elites is Ukraine as a successful democracy, choosing for itself its trading and security links with the west. An attack on Ukraine is an attack on democracy.

    We welcome the message from Munich at the weekend that any invasion will be met with massive sanctions in a swift, unified western response. The European Union, of course, will lead on sanctions legislation for most European allies, especially to clamp down on finances or critical technologies for Russia. How is the UK co-ordinating with the European Commission and European Council? What meetings have UK Ministers had to discuss that co-ordination?

    The other message from Munich at the weekend was that allies stand ready for further talks. The Defence Secretary has said this afternoon:

    “I am pleased with the efforts being made by a range of European leaders, including President Macron”.

    What diplomatic initiatives is our UK Prime Minister taking, befitting Britain as a leading member of the NATO alliance and a permanent member of the United Nations Security Council? With the most serious tensions and developments in the Donbas, why did the UK Government remove UK staff from the OSCE monitoring mission there, when those from all other European countries have stayed to do a job that is more vital now than ever?

    The Defence Secretary said, rightly, that we continue to “support Ukrainian defensive efforts”, including with lethal aid. What more will he now do, with NATO, to help Ukraine defend itself? Can he speed up action via the Ukraine naval agreement? How feasible is a no-fly zone? What consideration will he give to support for Ukrainian resistance?

    We cannot stand up to Russian aggression abroad while accepting Russian corruption at home. For too long, Britain has been the destination for the dirty money that keeps Putin in power. Where is the economic crime Bill, which was promised by the Government and then pulled? Where is the comprehensive reform of Companies House? Where is the law to register foreign agents? Where is the registration of overseas entities Bill? Where is the replacement for the outdated Computer Misuse Act 1990? Where are the new rules on political donations? Why does the Government’s Elections Bill make these problems worse by enabling political donations from donors based overseas?

    Whether or not President Putin invades Ukraine, Russia’s long-running pattern of aggression demands a NATO response. Will the Secretary of State report from his meeting last week with NATO Defence Ministers on how the alliance’s overall posture is set to change? Will he explain what action could be taken to better co-ordinate NATO with the joint expeditionary force—for instance, creating a regional readiness force?

    Finally, does not Ukraine expose the flaws in the Government’s integrated review of last year, with its first focus on the Indo-Pacific and its plan to cut the British Army by another 10,000 soldiers? Will the Secretary of State now halt any further Army cuts, and restore the highest defence priority to Europe, the north Atlantic and the Arctic?

  • Ben Wallace – 2022 Statement on Ukraine

    Ben Wallace – 2022 Statement on Ukraine

    The statement made by Ben Wallace, the Secretary of State for Defence, in the House of Commons on 21 February 2022.

    With permission, Mr Speaker, I will update the House on the latest situation regarding Russia’s actions towards Ukraine. As I have already said, I apologise that the Opposition had such late sight of the statement.

    As of 09.00 hours today, there are now more than 110 battalion tactical groups massed around Ukraine’s borders with Russia and Belarus. In addition, in the Black Sea Fleet, there are two amphibious groups, nine cruise missile-equipped Russian ships and a further four cruise missile-capable vessels in the Caspian sea.

    In the last 48 hours, contrary to Kremlin assurances, we have seen a continued increase in troop numbers and a change in force disposition, moving from holding areas to potential launch locations. All the indicators point to increasing numbers and readiness of Russian forces, and, not surprisingly to many of us, the pledge to withdraw Russian troops from Belarus at the end of their joint military drills on 20 February was not carried out, and the exercise has now been extended until further notice.

    Complementing this troop build-up has been the proliferation of false flag operations, propaganda stunts, and Russian news outlets carrying fictitious allegations. These are not the actions of a Russian Government fulfilling their repeated declarations that they have no intention of invading Ukraine. In fact, over the last few weeks, we have seen the Russian “playbook” being implemented in a way that gives us strong cause for concern that President Putin is still committed to an invasion. I believe that he is in danger of setting himself on a tragic course of events, leading to a humanitarian crisis, instability, and widespread suffering—not just of Ukrainians, but of the Russian people.

    Like many of us, the Russians know the consequences of military interventions. The Soviet Union in Afghanistan and the first war in Chechnya are just two examples of where Russia saw too many young men returning home in zinc-lined coffins. The Government therefore urge President Putin—for the sake of his own people and even at this eleventh hour—to rule out the invasion of Ukraine and recommit to a diplomatic process for us to address the perceptions of the Kremlin.

    Over recent weeks, my right hon. Friend the Foreign Secretary and I have engaged numerous times with our international counterparts, including my own visit to Moscow to meet Defence Minister Shoigu and General Valery Gerasimov. We have made clear our determination to uphold the defensive principles of NATO and to defend the right of sovereign countries to make choices about their own security arrangements. As the Russian Government have signed up to, states have

    “an equal right to security. We reaffirm the inherent right of each and every participating state to be free to choose or change its security arrangements, including treaties of alliance.”

    That statement was signed by the Russians in 1975 in the Helsinki Final Act, in 1994 in the Budapest summit declaration, in 1999 at the Istanbul summit, and, most lately, in 2010 at the Astana summit. We urge Russia to stick to its commitments that it has openly made and signed up to over the years. My counterpart, Defence Minister Shoigu, repeated to me in person that Russia has no intention of invading Ukraine, but, while we take them at their word, we must judge them by their actions.

    At our meeting I also took the opportunity to address the proposals in Russia’s draft treaty, because, while this is not a return to normal UK-Russia relations, it is important that, as one of Europe’s biggest military powers, the UK maintains strong lines of communications with Russia in order to avoid miscalculation and the risk of inadvertent escalations. I also continue to speak regularly to my Ukrainian counterpart, Defence Minister Reznikov, as we continue to support the armed forces of Ukraine.

    Since 2015, the UK—alongside the likes of Sweden and Canada—has responded to Russia’s previous illegal occupation of Crimea with defence capacity building, including training and reform. As I announced to the House last month, we took the decision to also provide lethal aid to Ukraine. That now means that, alongside the United States, Canada, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania and the Netherlands, the United Kingdom has not just spoken, but acted.

    I am pleased with the efforts being made by a range of European leaders, including President Macron, to find a way through. We must remain resolute in our commitment to NATO’s formal response to the Russian draft treaties, which all NATO members signed up to. Intimidation and aggression, however, must not be rewarded.

    We should be under no illusion: the Russian forces have now massed on Ukraine’s borders 65% of all their land combat power. The formations present and the action of the Russian state to date not only threaten the integrity of a sovereign state, but undermine international law and the democratic values in which all of us in Europe so strongly believe.

    The Foreign Office has now relocated the embassy further west in the country, and two weeks ago advised that all UK nationals should leave Ukraine via all means possible. The Ministry of Defence will continue to monitor Russian actions, support Ukrainian defensive efforts and contribute to NATO’s response measures. We continue to hope that President Putin will relent and pull back from an invasion, but we must prepare ourselves for the consequences if he does not. I will update the House, as I have done over the past few weeks, both in the Chamber and to colleagues online.

  • Margaret Thatcher – 1986 Speech to Conservative Party Conference

    Margaret Thatcher – 1986 Speech to Conservative Party Conference

    The speech made by Margaret Thatcher, the then Prime Minister, to the Conservative Party Conference in Bournemouth on 10 October 1986.

    Mr President, this week at Bournemouth, We’ve had a most responsible Conference:

    The Conference of a Party which was the last Government, is the present Government, and will be the next Government. We have heard from ministers a series of forward-looking policies which are shaping the future of our country.

    And not only from ministers, but from the body of the hall has come speech after speech of advice, encouragement and commitment.

    We are a Party which knows what it stands for and what it seeks to achieve.

    We are a Party which honours the past that we may build for the future.

    Last week, at Blackpool, the Labour Party made the bogus claim that it was “putting people first”.

    Putting people first?

    Last week, Labour

    — voted to remove the right to a secret ballot before a strike

    — voted to remove the precious right we gave to trade union members to take their union to a Court of Law.

    Putting people first?

    Last week Labour voted for the State to renationalise British Telecom and British Gas, regardless of the millions of people who have been able to own shares for the first time in their lives.

    Putting people first?

    They voted to stop the existing right to buy council houses, a policy which would kill the hopes and dreams of so many families.

    Labour may say they put people first; but their Conference voted to put Government first and that means putting people last.

    What the Labour Party of today wants is:

    — housing—municipalised

    — industry—nationalised

    — the police service—politicised

    — the judiciary—radicalised

    — union membership—tyrannised

    — and above all—and most serious of all—our defences neutralised.

    Never!

    Not in Britain.

    We have two other Oppositions who have recently held their Conferences, the Liberals and the SDP.

    Where they’re not divided they’re vague, and where they’re not vague they’re divided. At the moment they appear to be engaged in a confused squabble about whether or not Polaris should be abandoned or replaced or renewed or re-examined.

    And if so, when; and how; and possibly why?

    If they can’t agree on the defence of our country, they can’t agree on anything.

    Where Labour has its Militant tendency, they have their muddled tendency.

    I’ll have rather more to say about defence later.

     

    CONSERVATIVE MORALITY

    But just now I want to speak about Conservative policies, policies which spring from deeply held beliefs.

    The charge is sometimes made that our policies are only concerned with money and efficiency.

    I am the first to acknowledge that morality is not and never has been the monopoly of any one Party.

    Nor do we claim that it is.

    But we do claim that it is the foundation of our policies.

    Why are we Conservatives so opposed to inflation?

    Only because it puts up prices?

    No, because it destroys the value of people’s savings.

    Because it destroys jobs, and with it people’s hopes.

    That’s what the fight against inflation is all about.

    Why have we limited the power of trade unions?

    Only to improve productivity?

    No, because trade union members, want to be

    Protected from intimidation and to go about their daily lives in peace—like everyone else in the land.

    Why have we allowed people to buy shares in nationalised industries?

    Only to improve efficiency?

    No.

    To spread the nation’s wealth among as many people as possible.

    Why are we setting up new kinds of schools in our towns and cities?

    To create privilege?

    No.

    To give families in some of our inner cities greater choice in the education of their children.

    A choice denied them by their Labour Councils.

    Enlarging choice is rooted in our Conservative tradition.

    Without choice, talk of morality is an idle and an empty thing.

    BRITAIN’S INDUSTRIAL FUTURE

    Mr. President, the theme of our conference this week is the next move forward.

    We have achieved a lot in seven short years. But there is still a great deal to be done for our country.

    The whole industrial world, not just Britain, is seeing change at a speed that our forebears never contemplated, much of it due to new technology.

    Old industries are declining.

    New ones are taking their place.

    Traditional jobs are being taken over by computers. People are choosing to spend their money in new ways.

    Leisure, pleasure, sport and travel.

    All these are big business today.

    It would be foolish to pretend that this transition can be accomplished without problems.

    But it would be equally foolish to pretend that a country like Britain, which is so heavily dependent on trade with others, can somehow ignore what is happening in the rest of the world.

    — can behave as if these great events have nothing to do with us.

    — can resist change.

    Yet that is exactly what Labour proposes to do:

    They want to put back the clock and set back the country.

    Back to State direction and control.

    Back to the old levels of overmanning.

    Back to the old inefficiency.

    Back to making life difficult for the very people on whom the future of Britain depends—the wealth creators, the scientists, the engineers, the designers, the managers, the inventors—all those on whom we rely to create the industries and jobs of the future.

    What supreme folly.

    It defies all common sense.

    JOBS

    As do those Labour policies which, far from putting people first, would put them out of jobs.

    The prospects of young people would be blighted by Labour’s minimum wage policy, because people could not then afford to employ them and give them a start in life.

    A quarter of a million jobs could be at risk.

    Many thousands of jobs would go from closing down American nuclear bases.

    Labour want sanctions against South Africa.

    Tens of thousands of people could lose their jobs in Britain—quite apart from the devastating consequences for black South Africans.

    Out would go jobs at existing nuclear power stations.

    Whatever happened to Harold Wilson’s ‘white heat of technological revolution’?

    On top of all this, jobs would also suffer as would-be investors in Britain took one look at Labour and decided to set up elsewhere.

    Labour say they would create jobs.

    But those policies would destroy jobs.

    This Government has created the climate that’s produced a million extra jobs over the Past three years.

    Here in Britain, it is encouraging that more of the population are in work than in Italy, or France, or Germany.

    Nevertheless, as you heard yesterday, more has to be done, and is being done.

    Meanwhile, no other country in Europe can rival our present range of help for people to train, retrain and find jobs.

    And I would like just to say, Mr President: training is not a palliative for unemployment.

    Training will play an ever larger part in our whole industrial life.

    For only modern, Efficient industry and commerce will produce the jobs our people need.

    POPULAR CAPITALISM

    Our opponents would have us believe that all problems can be solved by State intervention. But Governments should not run business.

    Indeed, the weakness of the case for State ownership has become all too apparent.

    For state planners do not have to suffer the consequences of their mistakes. It’s the taxpayers who have to pick up the bill.

    This Government has rolled back the frontiers of the State, and will roll them back still further.

    So popular is our policy that it’s being taken up all over the world.

    From France to the Phillipines, from Jamaica to Japan, from Malaysia to Mexico, from Sri Lanka to Singapore, privatisation is on the move, there’s even a special oriental version in China.

    The policies we have pioneered are catching on in country after country.

    We Conservatives believe in popular capitalism—believe in a property-owning democracy.

    And it works!

    POWER TO THE PEOPLE

    In Scotland recently, I was present at the sale of the millionth council house: to a lovely family with two children, who can at last call their home their own.

    Now let’s go for the second million!

    And what’s more, millions have already become shareholders.

    And soon there will be opportunities for millions more, in British Gas, British Airways, British Airports and Rolls-Royce.

    Who says we’ve run out of steam.

    We’re in our prime!

    The great political reform of the last century was to enable more and more people to have a vote.

    Now the great Tory reform of this century is to enable more and more people to own property.

    Popular capitalism is nothing less than a crusade to enfranchise the many in the economic life of the nation.

    We Conservatives are returning power to the people.

    That is the way to one nation, one people.

    RETURN OF NATIONAL PRIDE

    Mr President, you may have noticed there are many people who just can’t bear good news.

    It’s a sort of infection of the spirit and there’s a lot of it about.

    In the eyes of these hand-wringing merchants of gloom and despondency, everything that Britain does is wrong.

    Any setback, however small, any little difficulty, however local, is seen as incontrovertible proof that the situation is hopeless.

    Their favourite word is “crisis”.

    It’s crisis when the price of oil goes up and a crisis when the price of oil goes up and a crisis when the price of oil comes down.

    It’s a crisis if you don’t build new roads,

    It’s a crisis when you do.

    It’s a crisis if Nissan does not come here,

    And it’s a crisis when it does.

    It’s being so cheerful as keeps ’em going.

    What a rotten time these people must have, running round running everything down.

    Especially when there’s so much to be proud of.

    Inflation at its lowest level for twenty years.

    The basic rate of tax at its lowest level for forty years.

    The number of strikes at their lowest level for fifty years.

    The great advances in Science and industry.

    The achievement of millions of our people in creating new enterprises and new jobs.

    The outstanding performance of the arts and music and entertainment worlds.

    And the triumphs of our sportsmen and women.

    They all do Britain proud.

    And we are mighty proud of them.

    CONSERVATIVES CARE

    Our opponents, having lost the political argument, try another tack!

    They try to convey the impression that we don’t care.

    So let’s take a close look at those who make this charge.

    They’re the ones who supported and maintained Mr Scargill ‘s coal strike for a whole year, hoping to deprive industry, homes and pensioners of power, heat and light.

    They’re the ones who supported the strike in the Health Service which lengthened the waiting time for operations just when we were getting it down.

    They’re the ones who supported the teachers’ dispute which disrupted our children’s education.

    They are those Labour Councillors who constantly accuse the Police of provocation when they deal with violent crime and drugs in the worst areas of our inner cities.

    Mr President, we’re not going to take any lessons in caring from people with that sort of record.

    We care profoundly about the right of people to be protected against crime, hooliganism and the evil of drugs.

    The mugger, the rapist, the drug trafficker, the terrorist—all must suffer the full rigour of the law.

    And that’s why this Party and this Government consistently back the Police and the Courts of Law, in Britain and Northern Ireland.

    For without the rule of law, there can be no liberty.

    It’s because we care deeply about the Health Service, that we’ve launched the biggest hospital building programme in this country’s history.

    Statistics tell only part of the story.

    But this Government is devoting more resources of all kinds to the Health Service than any previous Government.

    Over the past year or so, I’ve visited five hospitals.

    In the North west, at Barrow in Furness—I visited the first new hospital in that district since the creation of the Health Service forty years ago.

    In the North East—another splendid new hospital, at North Tyneside, with the most wonderful maternity unit and children’s wards.

    Just North of London I went round St Albans’ Hospital where new wards have been opened and new buildings are under way.

    I visited the famous Elizabeth Garrett Anderson Hospital for women, which this Government saved.

    The service it provides is very special and greatly appreciated.

    And then last week I went back to the Royal Sussex County Hospital in Brighton, to open the new renal unit.

    Many of us have cause to be very thankful for that Brighton hospital.

    Everywhere patients were loud in their praise of the treatment they received from doctors and nurses whose devotion and skill we all admire.

    This Government’s record on the Health Service is a fine one.

    We’re proud of it and we must see to it that people know how much we’ve done.

    Of course there are problems still to be solved.

    The fact that there’s no waiting list in one area does not help you if you have to wait for an operation in your area.

    It doesn’t help if there’s a new hospital going up somewhere else, but not where you’d really like it.

    We are tackling these problems.

    And we shall go on doing so, because our commitment to the National Health Service is second to none.

    We’ve made great progress already.

    The debate we had on Wednesday, with its telling contributions from nurses and doctors in the Health Service, was enormously helpful to us.

    It’s our purpose to work together and to continue steadily to improve the services that are provided in hospital and community alike.

    This is conservatives putting care into action.

    And we care deeply that retired people should never again see their hard-earned savings decimated by runaway inflation.

    For example, take the pensioner who retired in 1963 with a thousand pounds of savings.

    Twenty years later, in 1983, it was only worth one hundred and sixty pounds.

    That is why we will never relent in the battle against inflation.

    It has to be fought and won every year.

    We care passionately about the education of our children.

    Time and again we hear three basic messages:

    — bring back the three Rs into our schools;

    — bring back relevance into the curriculum;

    — and bring back discipline into our classrooms.

    The fact is that education at all levels—teachers, training colleges, administrators—has been infiltrated by a permissive philosophy of self-expression.

    And we are now reaping the consequences which, for some children, have been disastrous.

    Money by itself will not solve this problem.

    Money will not raise standards.

    But:

    — by giving parents greater freedom to choose;

    — by allowing head teachers greater control in their school;

    — by laying down national standards of syllabus and attainment;

    I am confident that we can really improve the quality of education.

    Improve it not just in the twenty new schools but in every school in the land.

    And we’ll back every teacher, head teacher and administrator who shares these ideals.

    DEFENCE

    Mr President, we care most of all about our country’s security. The defence of the realm transcends all other issues.

    It is the foremost responsibility of any Government and any Prime Minister.

    For forty years, every Government of this country of every political persuasion has understood the need for strong defences.

    — By maintaining and modernising Britain’s independent nuclear deterrent.

    — By membership of the NATO Alliance, an alliance based on nuclear deterrence.

    — And by accepting, and bearing in full, the obligations which membership brings.

    All this was common ground.

    Last week, Mr President, the Labour Party abandoned that ground.

    In a decision of the utmost gravity, Labour voted to give up Britain’s independent nuclear deterrent unilaterally.

    Labour would also require the United States to remove its nuclear weapons from our soil and to close down its nuclear bases:

    weapons and bases which are vital, not only for Britain’s defence, but for the defence of the entire Atlantic Alliance.

    Furthermore, Labour would remove Britain altogether from the protection of America’s nuclear umbrella, leaving us totally unable to deter a nuclear attack.

    For you cannot deter, with conventional weapons, an enemy which has, and could threaten to use, nuclear weapons.

    Exposed to the threat of nuclear blackmail, there would be no option but surrender.

    Labour’s defence policy—though “defence” is scarcely the word—is an absolute break with the defence policy of every British Government since the second world war.

    Let there be no doubt about the gravity of that decision.

    You cannot be a loyal member of NATO while disavowing its fundamental strategy.

    A Labour Britain would be a neutralist Britain.

    It would be the greatest gain for the Soviet Union in forty years.

    And they would have got it without firing a shot.

    I believe this total reversal of Labour’s policy for the defence of our country will have come as a shock to many of Labour’s traditional supporters.

    It was Labour’s Nye Bevan who warned his party against going naked into the Conference chamber.

    It was Labour’s Hugh Gaitskell who promised the country to fight, fight and fight again against the unilateral disarmers in his own party.

    That fight was continued by his successors.

    Today the fight is over.

    The present leadership are the unilateral disarmers.

    The Labour Party of Attlee, of Gaitskell, of Wilson is dead.

    And no-one has more surely killed it than the present leader of the Labour Party,

    There are some policies which can be reversed.

    But weapon development and production takes years and years.

    Moreover, by repudiating NATO’s nuclear strategy Labour would fatally weaken the Atlantic Alliance and the United States’ commitment to Europe’s defence.

    The damage caused by Labour’s policies would be irrevocable.

    Not only present but future generations would be at risk.

    Of course there are fears about the terrible destructive power of nuclear weapons.

    But it is the balance of nuclear forces which has preserved peace for forty years in a Europe which twice in the previous thirty years tore itself to pieces.

    Preserved peace not only from nuclear war, but from conventional war in Europe as well.

    And it has saved the young people of two generations from being called up to fight as their parents and grandparents were.

    As Prime Minister, I could not remove that protection from the lives of present and future generations.

    Let every nation know that Conservative Governments, now and in the future, will keep Britain’s obligations to its allies.

    The freedom of all its citizens and the good name of our country depend upon it.

    This weekend, President Reagan and Mr Gorbachev are meeting in Reykjavik.

    Does anyone imagine that Mr Gorbachev would be prepared to talk at all if the West had already disarmed?

    It is the strength and unity of the West which has brought the Russians to the negotiating table.

    The policy of her Majesty’s Opposition is a policy that would help our enemies and harm our friends.

    It totally misjudges the character of the British people.

    After the Liberal Party Conference, after the SDP Conference, after the Labour Party Conference, there is now only one party in this country with an effective policy for the defence of the realm.

    That party is the Conservative Party.

    OUR VISION

    Mr. President, throughout this conference we have heard of the great achievements of the last seven years.

    Their very success now makes possible the next moves forward, which have been set out this week.

    And we shall complete the manifesto for the next election—within the next eighteen months

    That Manifesto will be a programme for further bold and radical steps in keeping with our most deeply held beliefs.

    We do our best for our country when we are true to our convictions.

    As we look forward to the next century, we have a vision of the society we wish to see. The vision we all serve.

    We want to see a Britain where there is an ever-widening spread of ownership, with the independence and dignity it brings.

    — A Britain which takes care of the weak in their time of need.

    We want to see a Britain where the spirit of enterprise is strong enough to conquer unemployment North and South.

    — A Britain in which the attitude of “them and us” has disappeared from our lives.

    We want to see a Britain whose schools are a source of pride and where education brings out the best in every child.

    — A Britain where excellence and effort are valued and honoured.

    We want to see a Britain where our streets are free from fear, day and night.

    And above all, we want to see a Britain which is respected and trusted in the world, which values the great benefits of living in a free society, and is determined to defend them.

    Mr. President, our duty is to safeguard our country’s interests, and to be reliable friends and allies. The failure of the other parties to measure up to what is needed places an awesome responsibility upon us.

    I believe that we have an historic duty to discharge that responsibility and to carry into the future all that is best and unique in Britain.

    I believe that our Party is uniquely equipped to do it.

    I believe the interests of Britain can now only be served by a third Conservative victory.

     

  • Jeffrey Donaldson – 2022 Statement on Death of Christopher Stalford

    Jeffrey Donaldson – 2022 Statement on Death of Christopher Stalford

    The statement made by Jeffrey Donaldson, the Leader of the DUP, on 20 February 2022.

    I am deeply saddened to learn of Christopher’s sudden death. He was not just an elected representative or a colleague, he was a friend.

    On behalf of the Party, I express my sympathies to Laura and the wider Stalford family on the loss of a husband, father, son and brother.

    I talked at length with Christopher on Friday night. He was passionate about Northern Ireland and wanted the best for his constituents. I was never to know how precious that conversation was to be.

    Most telling of all in that conversation was his pride in Laura and their children. He talked about his eldest child transferring to big school and the discussions that were ongoing in the home.

    Christopher was born to be a public representative. From his teenage years he was a regular contributor to politics both in the print and broadcast media. He was elected as a Belfast City Councillor in 2005 to represent the Laganbank area and then from 2014 represented the Balmoral area. Christopher was elected the High Sheriff of Belfast in 2010 and Deputy Lord Mayor of Belfast in 2013/14.

    In 2016, Christopher was elected to represent Belfast South in the Northern Ireland Assembly and from January 2020 served as the Principal Deputy Speaker of the Northern Ireland Assembly.

    Christopher believed in stretching himself to build a genuinely shared future. He was confident in his unionism and his identity and was always prepared to provide leadership to keep Northern Ireland moving in the right direction.

    The Stalford family will be in our prayers as they mourn Christopher’s passing.

  • Alec Douglas-Home – 1972 Statement on an All-Party Delegation to Rhodesia

    Alec Douglas-Home – 1972 Statement on an All-Party Delegation to Rhodesia

    The statement made by Alec Douglas-Home, the then Foreign Secretary, in the House of Commons on 2 March 1972.

    With your permission, Mr. Speaker, and that of the House, I wish to make a statement.

    I said that I would report further to the House on the possibility of an all-party delegation visiting Rhodesia. Mr. Smith has finally replied that he would feel unable to agree to the visit of the delegation proposed. He gives as his reason not only the strongly expressed opposition to the settlement of certain members of the proposed delegation, but also their alleged support for movements in Africa which make use of terrorist methods.

    Since both the Labour and Liberal Parties have stated that they are not prepared to change their nominations to the all-party delegation, a position which I quite understand, I regret that there is now no point in pursuing the proposal further.

    Mr. Hattersley

    Will the Foreign Secretary accept that this is not simply a matter affecting the Labour and Liberal Parties but is the cause of concern to the House as a whole? Indeed, will he further accept that since Mr. Smith’s message is indicative of Smith’s character and policy, the right hon. Gentleman’s statement is central to relations between Britain and the Rhodesian régime?

    In the light of that understanding, may I put three specific questions to the right hon. Gentleman? First, having reported Mr. Smith’s message to the House, may I ask the right hon. Gentleman to say what reply lie has sent to Mr. Smith’s impertinence? Second what conclusion does the Foreign Secretary draw from Mr. Smith’s attitude about the Rhodesian Front’s likelihood of honouring any bargain that may be struck between Salisbury and Whitehall?

    Third, does the Foreign Secretary realise that since he, unlike his predecessor, claims to have struck a bargain with the Rhodesian régime, he should be in a position to exercise some influence in Salisbury? When does he intend to do so?

    Sir Alec Douglas-Home

    I think the hon. Gentleman knows that I have always thought that if there was to be observation of the Pearce Commission from this House, that would be better done by an all-party delegation. I made that clear to Mr. Smith. I also made clear the fact that in this House it is the practice for parties to select their own members to take part in delegations and that therefore it was intolerable that the choice should be limited. Thus, my preference was for an all-party delegation, though Lord Pearce is getting on with his work successfully without observation.

    I will answer the three specific points the hon. Gentleman put to me. The answer to the first is that I have told Mr. Smith that I regret his decision. [Interruption.] The answer to the second, about the honouring of any bargain, is that that is a different matter in relation to the settlement that has been proposed; he must put the whole of his authority and party behind it if the settlement is to be brought into the Rhodesia Parliament.

    The answer to the third is that I think the hon. Gentleman knows very well that the only sanction I have—I hope he is not asking me to use it—is to withdraw the Pearce Commission, which is something neither he nor his right hon and hon. Friends want.

    Sir F. Bennett

    Will my right hon. Friend confirm that it would be misleading to suggest that this represents an overall objection of hon. Members from this House going to Rhodesia? [Interruption.] Is it not a fact that very prominent right hon. Members from both sides of this Chamber, including one distinguished former Labour Minister and an equally prominent former Conservative Minister, have been to Rhodesia in the last few weeks?

    Is my right hon. Friend aware that at least some of us feel that the more that Lord Pearce is allowed to get on with his job—without interference from political sources, including those who favour a settlement and those who are opposed to one—the better?

    Sir Alec Douglas-Home

    Yes. I have never thought that we should transfer our political differences from this House to Rhodesia, particularly while the Pearce Commission is there, or indeed at any time. It is true, of course, that hon. Members have been to Rhodesia in recent weeks.

    Mr. David Steel

    Will the right hon. Gentleman explain why he believes that, although he has been unable during these negotiations with Rhodesia to get Mr. Smith to accept a modest demand that an all-party delegation from this House be allowed to see what is happening as part of the test of acceptability which is being carried out, there is any real hope or promise of Mr. Smith, once the negotiations are over and the formal ties with this country are cut, accepting the more substantial demands contained in the agreement that has been concluded with him?

    Sir Alec Douglas-Home

    Mr. Smith has accepted the proposals for a settlement—[Interruption.]—and has agreed to put his authority behind them in his own Parliament. Having done that, I should have thought that he must keep the agreement. [HON. MEMBERS: “Rubbish.”]

    Mr. Hastings

    Is not the first objective to ascertain the views of the Rhodesian people in this matter? Is that not the responsibility of this House as well as of the Government? Has anyone explained to my right hon. Friend or to the House how this delegation could possibly help?

    Sir Alec Douglas-Home

    No, Sir, they have not, but if there were to have been a delegation, it should have been an all-party one.

    Miss Lestor

    Will the right hon. Gentleman kindly publish all the exchanges he has had with Ian Smith over this matter so that we may see whether or not the Foreign Secretary explained to Mr. Smith why I and many Members of my party believe that violence becomes inevitable—[HON. MEMBERS: “No.”]—and often legitimate, but only if all normal methods of democratic change are closed?

    Is he aware that the conduct of Ian Smith in Southern Rhodesia since the Pearce Commission went there demonstrates that this course is rapidly becoming the position? Will he acknowledge that if ever those who believe in equal rights in Southern Rhodesia are compelled to answer force with force, they will have been taught by masters who have been supported by the Foreign Secretary?

    Sir Alec Douglas-Home

    I will ignore the hon. Lady’s final remarks. I hope she will recognise that the whole purpose of this settlement is to enable peaceful democratic change to take place so that the Rhodesians should not have to resort to violence.

    Sir Gilbert Longden

    If my right hon. Friend thinks that it would be advantageous for an all-party delegation to go from this House to Rhodesia—though in my respectful submission Lord Pearce is doing very well without such a delegation—why not put them in an R.A.F. aeroplane, fly them to Salisbury and see what Mr. Smith does next?

    Mr. Thorpe

    While not wishing to see my Chief Whip detained without trial and therefore dissociating myself from the suggestion of the hon. Member for Hertfordshire, South-West (Sir Gilbert Longden), may I ask the right hon. Gentleman if he does not feel that, in fairness to the House, he should go further than expressing regret to Mr. Smith, which is the sentiment one expresses if one is unable to accept a supper invitation?

    Does he not think that he should make it clear that he received an undertaking from the two political parties that they would refrain from expressing an opinion publicly or from taking part in political activities while they were in Rhodesia and that he had accepted those undertakings as having been given in good faith?

    Does he not believe that he should reject the suggestion that the members of the proposed delegation support terrorist methods and are themselves alleged to be terrorist sympathisers? [Interruption.] Is he aware that if the Pearce Commission concludes that there is support for the proposals that this House should be asked to grant £5 million for 10 years to lift sanctions, grant independence and give recognition to the Smith régime, this House should be given an opportunity to see how the Pearce Commission has worked, prior to such a conclusion being reached?

    Sir Alec Douglas-Home

    I have already conveyed to Mr. Smith the two suggestions which the right hon. Gentleman has made. On the last point he raised, I suggest we await the Pearce Report.

    Mr. Brocklebank-Fowler

    Is my right hon. Friend aware that hon. Members on this side of the House as well as hon. Gentlemen on the benches opposite are deeply disappointed that the Smith régime has felt unable to accept the presence in Rhodesia of an all-party delegation from this House? Will he present our dissatisfaction to Mr. Smith over this?

    Sir Alec Douglas-Home

    I have told Mr. Smith that I supported the idea of an all-party delegation to observe the Pearce Commission working. I will certainly tell him that I think he has made a mistake in this matter.

    Mr. Roy Jenkins

    Is it not a fact that, contrary to the impression which the right hon. Gentleman gave in reply to a question from his hon. Friend the Member for Mid-Bedfordshire (Mr. Hastings), which disparaged the value of an all-party delegation, the suggestion for an all-party delegation came specifically from the Foreign Secretary? Is it not the case, therefore, that his own suggestion has been rejected by Mr. Smith? Does not this conduct on the part of Mr. Smith affect the right hon. Gentleman’s mind about the value of any bargain that may be struck with Mr. Smith?

    Sir Alec Douglas-Home

    I am not sure if the right hon. Gentleman was around when this was considered, but the position was that Mr. Smith rejected a request for a Labour Party delegation and a Liberal Party delegation. I have never been keen on Lord Pearce’s Commission being observed, but if it was to be observed—[Interruption.]—I agree that could have been better expressed, I meant it in the sense that Lord Pearce could get on with the work of the Commission perfectly well without any external observation—but if there were to be observation, I agree with the right hon. Gentleman, and I said that it should be an all-party delegation, that was the best form. This has now been turned down.

    Mr. Roy Jenkins

    I should like to ask the right hon. Gentleman if he told Mr. Smith that he was not very keen on the proposition he was putting forward?

    Sir Alec Douglas-Home

    I told Mr. Smith that he ought to accept an all-party delegation. He has not done so.

  • Edward Heath – 1972 Statement on Interrogation Techniques (Parker Committee’s Report)

    Edward Heath – 1972 Statement on Interrogation Techniques (Parker Committee’s Report)

    The statement made by Edward Heath, the then Prime Minister, in the House of Commons on 2 March 1972.

    With permission, Mr. Speaker, I will now make a statement about the Report of the Committee of Privy Councillors under the chairmanship of Lord Parker of Waddington. This report is published today; and copies are now available in the Vote Office. The Government have not found it necessary to omit any passage on grounds of security; and the report is published with only minor amendments which do not in any way affect the sense.

    The terms of reference of the Committee were to inquire whether, and if so in what respects, the procedures currently authorised for the interrogation of persons suspected of terrorism, and for their custody while subject to interrogation, require amendment. The Government are indebted to Lord Parker and his colleagues for the scrupulous care with which they have examined this very difficult subject.

    The Committee found itself unable to agree; and it has therefore submitted a majority report signed by Lord Parker and my right hon. Friend the Member for Kingston-upon-Thames (Mr. Boyd-Carpenter), together with a minority report signed by Lord Gardiner.

    The majority find that the methods in question, which had been applied on a number of occasions in the past under successive Governments in various parts of the world, were applied in Northern Ireland in August, 1971, to 12 detainees, and in October to two more. They consider—and I quote—that

    “there is no doubt that the information obtained by these two operations directly and indirectly was responsible for the saving of lives of innocent citizens”.

    They conclude that the use of the methods involved could be justified in exceptional circumstances subject to further safeguards which they recommend. They consider, however, that the use of these techniques in some, if not all, cases would offend against English law; but they refrain from expressing any view about the position in Northern Ireland where legal proceedings which raise this issue are pending. Lord Gardiner in the minority report considers that these methods are objectionable in all circumstances.

    The Government, having reviewed the whole matter with great care and with particular reference to any future operations, have decided that the techniques which the Committee examined will not be used in future as an aid to interrogation.

    Mr. Harold Wilson

    Is the Prime Minister aware that, in accordance with our usual practices in these matters, I can confirm fully that the amendments made on security grounds were entirely marginal and made no difference to the sense of the report?

    Secondly, has the right hon. Gentleman noticed reports which have said that these techniques have not been used since the Parker Committee was set up? Can the right hon. Gentleman say whether that is so? I do not think that it comes out in the report itself.
    Thirdly, while hon. Members will want to study the report and while every hon. Member faced with this very difficult problem will decide whether to accept in principle the argument of the majority or that of the minority, is the Prime Minister aware that I, on behalf of my right hon. and hon. Friends, greatly welcome the announcement in the concluding part of the right hon. Gentleman’s statement? It is a wise announcement in all the circumstances, and it may make more than a marginal difference to the possibility of stabilising and improving the situation in Northern Ireland. The right hon. Gentleman will recall that at the end of the two-day debate last November my right hon. and hon. Friends voted on this matter because of Compton, and, naturally, we are extremely pleased that the right hon. Gentleman has taken this wise decision?

    The Prime Minister

    I can confirm that these techniques have not been used in cases other than those mentioned in the majority report; namely, the 12 in August, 1971 and the two in October, 1971.

    Mr. Grimond

    I, too, wish to congratulate the Government on their decision that these techniques should now be abandoned. May I ask the right hon. Gentleman whether there must not be some disquiet about the fact that some of these techniques may have been contrary to English law? What is the position of soldiers under the Army Act who might have been required to take part in the application of these techniques when, possibly, their powers may have been in conflict as between English and Northern Irish law?

    The Prime Minister

    On the first part of the right hon. Gentleman’s question, as both the majority and the minority reports point out clearly, the techniques were used over a long period in the postwar years under Governments of both parties in this House. On the second part, as this matter is before the Northern Ireland courts at the moment, it would not be appropriate for me to comment on any difficulties which might arise in that respect. Obviously this is a matter in which the Government have given thought to the position of Her Majesty’s forces. But I remind the right hon. Gentleman that the Compton Report showed that these techniques were used by the R.U.C. under the authority of the Northern Ireland Government.

    Mr. Dodds-Parker

    Will my right hon. Friend say whether in criminal investigations it will still be possible to put a blanket over the head of an individual who is in custody when there are good reasons for maintaining concealment of identity?

    The Prime Minister

    A directive has been issued to the G.O.C., which, therefore covers the whole Army in Northern Ireland, in the sense of the statement that I have made. As for the use of techniques for non-interrogation, obviously from the point of view of security sometimes it is necessary for people to be asked to stand against a wall with their arms raised so that they may be searched to see whether they have weapons. That is a specific and limited use. As for putting a blanket over someone’s head, the Army has been instructed not to use that technique in any circumstances. The police are covered by the normal police regulations. If a person asks to be covered so that his identity should not be revealed in public, it is possible for that to happen.

    Mr. Mayhew

    While I welcome the Prime Minister’s decision, may I ask him whether he is aware of the substantial body of expert opinion which says that the technique called sensory isolation can cause mental distress for long periods thereafter and permanently in certain circumstances? Was this known to the Government when they approved this technique?

    The Prime Minister

    Both the majority and the minority reports discussed this in some detail, and there is obviously a conflict of medical evidence about it. Her Majesty’s Forces will of course continue to be trained in resistance to these techniques and, at the same time, training methods are being reviewed in regard to their application to Her Majesty’s Forces. But the general conclusion of the majority report is that it has not been possible to discover ill effects on Her Majesty’s Forces as a result of subjecting them to these techniques in training. But they also point out that a training position may prove to be different from a position in time of emergency or war.

    Mr. Woodhouse

    Does the Government’s decision to discontinue intensive interrogation of this kind apply only in Northern Ireland or to all future circumstances anywhere?

    The Prime Minister

    I must make it plain that interrogation in depth will continue but that these techniques will not be used. It is important that interrogation should continue. The statement that I have made covers all future circumstances. If a Government did decide—on whatever grounds I would not like to foresee—that additional techniques were required for interrogation, then I think that, on the advice which is given in both the majority and the minority reports, and subject to any cases before the courts at the moment, they would probably have to come to the House and ask for the powers to do it.

    Mr. Alexander W. Lyon

    Although one welcomes the ending of these intolerable techniques, was not the most disquieting feature the fact that, whether they were known to the members of this Government or their predecessor, they were not known to the House or to the country? Is it not right that the procedure followed in interrogation in depth, even the one which is still being sanctioned, should be put into some written form and be discussed by and available to the public?

    The Prime Minister

    The recommendation of the majority report was that, if the techniques were to be continued in a limited form, it would be necessary to set down guidelines in the way that the hon. Gentleman suggests. I do not think it would be possible or perhaps advisable that there should be issued as a public document any account of methods of interrogation which did not use these techniques. I am prepared to consider that, but I should have thought that as a security measure it is probably not advisable.

    Mr. Biggs-Davison

    Are not the holding of this inquiry, the publication of this report and my right hon. Friend’s statement today indicative of a civilised nation and an example to the world?

    The Prime Minister

    I think that the Government have come to the right conclusion in this matter. The majority report emphasises that the techniques had been used for a long time; and that in this particular case, in the sudden emergency of 9th August, they were used. In paragraphs 20, 21 and 22 the report sets out very clearly the advantages which were gained from that. But now that the situation is more a continuing one from the point of view of interrogation, I repeat that I think that the Government have come to the right conclusion.

    Mr. McManus

    Would the right hon. Gentleman bear in mind that this report will only further sap the confidence of the minority in all reports instituted by this House, since it appears to attempt to whitewash what went on, and that no welcome whatever will be forthcoming from the people whom I represent for the fact that the Government have now been shamed by force of public opinion into discontinuing barbaric practices?

    Would the right hon. Gentleman also bear in mind that this will call into further question the validity or usefulness of a tribunal which is now sitting? Will he particularly bear in mind that, if this sort of thing foreshadows the long-expected initiatives, they are bound, if they follow this sort of pattern, to be rejected outright by the minority?

    Finally, on the question of interrogation, will the right hon. Gentleman give his personal guarantee to the House that another form of interrogation, whereby soldiers go around remote parts of my constituency and ask people their religion, will cease forthwith?

    The Prime Minister

    I completely repudiate what the hon. Gentleman says. If he is claiming to speak for his constituents, perhaps he will prevail upon them to abandon the barbaric practices of the I.R.A. in murdering helpless individuals sitting by their own firesides.

    Mr. McManus

    On a point of order, Mr. Speaker. Is it in order for the Prime Minister of England to stand in this House and accuse my constituents, without proof at all, of barbaric practices?

    Mr. Speaker

    I have heard nothing out of order.

    Mr. Tapsell

    If the interrogation procedures which have been used in past years, which the report confirms have saved innocent lives, are now to be discontinued, will it not be necessary very speedily to issue a new and clear code of practice to our Forces in Ulster in case a new emergency should arise in which interrogation in depth should again be necessary?

    The Prime Minister

    I repeat that interrogation in depth will continue when it is deemed right, but these techniques will not be used for this purpose. We must distinguish between these two things. I would repeat what I said to my hon. Friend the Member for Oxford (Mr. Woodhouse), that if any Government did come to the decision, after the most careful thought, that it was necessary to use some or all of these techniques, it would be necessary to come to the House first before doing so.

    Mr. Harold Wilson

    I thank the Prime Minister for his answer to my earlier question, when he said that these techniques had not been used during the period following the Compton Report. Is he aware that I have sent the Home Secretary some alleged evidence—I cannot evaluate it—purporting to show that there has been a continuation of this kind of practice? Will he be prepared to set against what he has said any findings which the Home Secretary may give him? Is he aware that only today there have been rather serious allegations of a continuation of practices—whether these specific ones or the others which were not the subject of the Prime Minister’s announcement I am not certain?

    Do we take it from his statement that the Prime Minister has no present intention of introducing legislation in this matter—for example, possibly to validate past actions—at any rate until the result of cases now pending in the courts becomes known to the House?

    The Prime Minister

    Yes, the right hon. Gentleman is correct. We have no intention at the moment of introducing legislation to deal with this matter by way of an indemnity. Naturally, we should like to see the results of any decision in the Northern Ireland courts. Then, if we judged it necessary, we would naturally raise this matter in the House.

    On the first part of the question, I too have been sent from time to time a number of allegations, and I have immediately asked that all of them be investigated. The G.O.C. has always said that any allegation will immediately be investigated. The problem is to get those who make the allegations to come forward and make them to any inquiry or to give their own evidence about the allegations. They are prepared, as the right hon. Gentleman knows, to set them down on paper and sometimes to make them to other people, but they are very slow to come forward to make them to any inquiry. But I think the right hon. Gentleman will find that these allegations are quite separate from the question of the 14 cases in which the techniques were used for deep interrogation.

  • Nadine Dorries – 2022 Comments on Huawei

    Nadine Dorries – 2022 Comments on Huawei

    The comments made by Nadine Dorries, the Secretary of State for Digital, Culture, Media and Sport, on 20 February 2022.

    The government is committed to ensuring the security and resilience of our phone and internet networks. Last year we brought in new laws to protect UK infrastructure from high-risk vendors and issue tough sanctions on providers which fall short of our high security standards. This consultation marks the next step in removing the risks posed by Huawei.